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Suicide cleanup services as practiced by Eddie Evans, this writer, includes everything, everything needed to get life moving around a death scene. A set price, also known as a not-to-exceed price ensures my clients that I will not start playing games with their frailed emotional state. I'm the guy that fights county government corruption in the coroner, medical examiner, public guardian, sheriffs' departments, and police departments. See my many web pages to learn more about my fight against this growing threat to our decomcracy. It's called "cronyism" and has a stangle-hold on Moscow as well as Tiajuana. We do not need it. Ignore government employee directions to cleaning companies.

Here's an important question answered below: Can police officers or coroner investigators order me to use a suicide cleanup company?

 

 
 
   
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Readers here find three types of suicide cleanup help on this page. One, I write suicide cleanup information for someone interested in hiring suicide cleanup help. Two, I write suicide cleanup information found here for those who choose to do suicide cleanup out of a sense of duty, honor, or economic necessity. I write about suicide cleanup for technicians and those interested in information related to suicide and my growing philosophy for suicide cleanup.

Can police officers or coroner investigators order me to use a suicide cleanup company?

I'm not a lawyer and laws change from state to state. But, my short answer is, "No." In this question two big meanings exist. First big meaning, can a public employee, civil servant, order a citizen to use a particular suicide cleanup company. "No."

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In its second big meaning, four more meanings exist.

  1. Must I personally perform a suicide cleanup, "No," you cannot be ordered to do so. In fact, without bloodborne pathogen training, you may violate an Occupational and Safety Health Administration regulation. No such duty exists for non-employee situations either. No one can stop you from hiring someone else to clean up a suicide scene.
  2. Must I have a suicide cleaned up? "Yes" and "no" depending on who you are. If you have a legal connection to a residence or business, you may have a responsibility for removing a suicide scene. Otherwise, it seems, unless you signed a contract for a property's maintenance, you should not have a liability. Even family members have no such duty, outside of a family's ethical and moral leanings.
  3. When do I have a legal duty to have a suicide cleaned up? If you own a property where a suicide occurred, then you have a legal duty to have it removed. Whether or not you can cause a family, friend of the deceased, or insurance company to pay for having it cleaned is another matter.
  4. Can I clean after a suicide in my own residence? As far as I know, "Yes." OSHA does not apply to personal residences if no employer-employee relationship exists. Always check with local health official if you need more assurance. Also, it would be wise to take an on-line bloodborne pathogen course before you do clean. It costs about $20 and takes a couple hours. I recommend it. But our question, "Can the law stop you from suicide cleanup in a residence or business" is probably "no," once you have bloodborne pathogen training. .

What happens during suicide cleanup?

Suicide cleanup technicians arrive on time or somewhere close to being on time. Keep traffic conditions in mind. If your cleaning company using a suicide cleanup crew, then expect a lead suicide cleanup technician to introduce herself. She will provide a business card. Depending on company policy, she may have a responsible party sign a contract.

Your contract will, or should, spell out all conditions for cleaning and clarify your method of payment and so-forth. Some companies will require a lien on property to begin cleaning. Others do not.

Depending on the nature of a suicide cleanup, shotgun, handgun, razor, knife, pills, decomposition, a suicide cleanup technicians will dress in personal protective equipment, including face shields for nose, eye, and mouth protection.

If these cleaners receive an hourly wage, expect an 8 hour cleanup. They may not remain for 8 hours, at least not all of them. Their invoice will reflect 8 or more hours for all technicians present at one time or another, often enough.

Generally, insurance companies pay when a crew does the cleaning. Under this arrangement the more hours logged on a job the better for technicians and their company. More demolition caused on a job means greater justification for increased hours and biohazardous waste bags.

Biohazard waste bags create revenue. Bags may generate $200 to $350 each. Bags may contain blood soiled garments, blood soiled carpet and carpet cushion, or blood soiled furniture stuffing. They may also contain curtains, shower curtains, and other house-hold materials not soiled by biohazardous waste. Without close supervision, which seldom occurs during suicide cleanup, a large percentage of biohazardous waste bags may find room on a companies invoice.

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Suicide cleanup technicians will usually work respectfully, quietly, and almost always courteously.

No one can vouch for technicians' honest. It seems reasonable that companies will do their best to hire the more honest and diligent applicants. One familiar with the labor market for suicide cleanup technicians will take note here, I'm sure.

I have observed naive, ignorant suicide cleanup technicians in the field. It's more of an age and arrogance issue than bad faith behavior I've observed. It seems younger technicians without supervision create a poor impression and greater opportunities for misadventure.

Then again, I have observed suicide cleanup technicians in their mid-20s and older who would do well as poster models for a biohazard industry in general. Finding quality employees with good working attitudes must come with luck. For certain, and suicide cleanup company with such employees ought to do well by them. "Impressive" would not go far enough to describe some of the suicide cleanup technicians I've seen in the field. I wish they could work for me.

Technicians should make an effort to decontaminate their feet before moving around a home or business once on a suicide scene. Most will probably do so because it takes time, and time means more money.

Technicians basically remove blood soiled materials, scrub-and-rinse once blood soiled areas, and disinfect. They may also seal once soiled areas.

Advantages of a suicide cleanup crew include a quick cleanup if their leader orders it so at the behest of a responsible party. With their manpower, experience, and cleaning techniques, a suicide cleanup crew has a capability to clean after most suicides in a few hours at most, on average.

A crew should also have at least one set of "young eyes" available for inspecting their suicide scene work upon completion. A crew will have mixed experience, which may prove helpful for some types of problem solving. "Two minds are better than one."

Honesty with a crew has it limits, but one honest crew member will police the others with his or her presence. This assumes peer pressure does not overcome a strong will to do the right thing.

Some people do not tolerate stealing from the dead or their families under any conditions. This simple ethic does not apply to crews servicing coroner or medical examiner referred companies. Anything goes with such companies, I have learned. Otherwise, a single, honest crew member goes a long way to ensuring a certain amount of integrity in crew-services, suicide cleanup and otherwise.

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What's better: A crew or self-employed cleaner?

Too many variables exist to answer this question with any authority.

For certain a crew can perform a single or double suicide cleanup in half as much time and less than a self-employed cleaner. Even more so, a couple well trained suicide cleanup technicians harnessing their skills and abilities generate a synergy between them. As a result they do a lot of work in a very short time. The more experience two crew members have working together, the more their labor synergy, so to speak. Both know just about when to anticipate the other's movements.

A self-employed cleaner lumbers along at a slow, steady pace, unlike the team efforts of a crew. An advantages of a crew over a self-employed cleaner for saving time cannot be denied. If time is an issue, a crew will do.

At times business owners prefer that their crews extend their efforts to help pay for overhead and increase profits. So this part of a crew's baggage should come to mind when considering a crew.

A self-employed cleaner's slowness may not matter since most suicide cleanup takes less than eight hours. A suicide cleanup by a self-employed cleaner will take anywhere from two hours to eight. A double suicide may take twice as long. A shotgun suicide may take a self-employed cleaner two days.

A self-employed cleaner gives a responsible party more leverage when it comes to adding value to a suicide cleanup. self-employed cleaner-owners have more latitude when it comes to enhancing their work with additional choirs. Removing additional carpet and furniture comes to mind. Because self-employed cleaners do the decision making on a scene, they have powers available that a crew cannot possibly share.

The above labor time for suicide cleanup times do not apply to removing floors and walls. Careful, thorough cleaning with patience saves floors and walls, virtues of a self-employed cleaner. Suicides by handgun tend to take place on beds, in bathrooms, and in the middle of living rooms. These areas have enough fabric, blankets, and other absorbents to stop blood from bullet wounds and trauma to necks and wrists in most cases.

Also, suicide by handgun or rifle usually results in sudden death, causing a body to retain more blood then if an injured suicide victim bleeds to death. Decomposition leading to complete dehydration after a few days may cause fluids to flow toward lower areas. Next to a wall, flowing or seeping fluids may cause blood to wick up walls and furniture, especially in low areas.

Next to a wall on a second floor or above, blood will find a way below to a sub floor and onto a ceiling below at times. Other times blood will travel horizontally along cross members or vertically down air ducts. Fortunately these problems remain the exception, rather than the rule. A self-employed cleaner's skills at saving flooring and walls saves everyone time and money, overall.

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How much does suicide cleanup cost?

Companies with crews tend to charge $200 to $350 per hour. Some companies charge these amounts per hour per employee, an astounding sum by any measure. Figures from $5,000 to $50,000 are not unheard of when crew cleaning companies service suicide cleanups. Rarely do market forces apply in these cases, but when they do chance rather than comparison shopping comes into play.

There are no consumer advocates for suicide cleanup. No standard fees exist between companies for the public to choose. Suicide cleanup markets resemble a deck of cards stacked with jokers rather than a self-leveling open market for competitors.

Because of this business climate, once an insurance company's claim number becomes available to a suicide cleanup company, the sky becomes the limit in many cases.

Because of these conditions self-employed cleaners face an awkward challenge. How do they charge enough for a decent profit? If they quote $150 per hour for their labor and a suicide cleanup takes two hours, they make only $300. Considering overhead, down time, and other expenses, not to forget insurance, a self-employed cleaner will not last long at $150 per hour.

Fortunately for self-employed cleaners, they know before hand about how long most jobs will take before seeing them. Even the toughest, most challenging suicide cleanup jobs take less than two days. Without employee expenses, the self-employed cleaner will make money when giving a flat fee on most jobs.

Because crew served companies must charge multiples of a self-employed cleaner company, the self-employed cleaner has little trouble under bidding the crew served companies. But this holds true so long as competing self-employed cleaner's remain out of the suicide cleanup market under consideration. Given more than one self-employed cleaner company bidding on a suicide cleanup job, prices will dive steeply and quickly, depending on individual's needs.

This leads to an important point for the entire field of suicide cleanup, needs versus wants. For those companies getting what they "want," we must assume many have direct ties to local government employees for leads. For those companies charging what they need to keep going, we find a stressed, but open free market with a tendency to favor the more fit companies.

Can you find suicide cleanup help for me?

I clean in many places and have done so for years. My fees remain fair and reasonable, but these days I limit my travels to clean. I know of only a few cleaners with philosophies similar to mine, so I choose not to refer to many states. Comparison shopping and asking pertinent question should lead to a fair price and decent service.

Suicide, technicians, and my philosophy

Suicide occurs for these reasons. Loneliness; divorce, loss of family; depression, anxiety, unemployment, alcoholism and drug addiction, pain

Suicide cleanup technicians often have some sort of introduction to suicide cleanup as well as other types of biohazard cleanup. OSHA bloodborne pathogen training is the key requirement. Suicide cleanup technicians must remain available for work 24/7/365 in many companies.

A suicide cleanup technician must remain awake and alert for prolonged periods of time. A driver's license, strong back, and an ability to life and move large objects remains an on-going requirement. Most technicians earn a small fraction of their employer's gross income.

My philosophy for suicide cleanup has a pragmatic core. This means disinfecting, removal, disinfecting, cleaning, disinfecting, and then sealing areas directs my efforts. Because this approach works I continue using it.

I believe that blood soaked materials pose a health hazard to the residents where I work and the public if and when these materials leave a residence. As a result I alter, destroy, or seal blood soaked materials. I do my best to expose the public to blood soaked materials.

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Coroner corruption in suicide cleanup

I dislike writing about coroner corruption in suicide cleanup. Oddly, it's the one subject that I must write about. Not just for myself, but for a public defrauded by coroner's employees. My life could change in an instant and I'd still write about coroner corruption.

Coroner corruption is not an obsession with me by any means. It's a matter of knowing something wrong occurs daily. It's a matter of knowing hurt, innocent people cheated by their own local government have no voice. I am their voice. As a result my web pages include Orange County Consumer Fraud, Orange County Cronyism, and a few other pages devoted to Orange County Corruption.

Can you find suicide cleanup help for me?

In a few areas of the United States I know a few responsible, respectful cleaners. These cleaners charge a reasonable fee. They clean well. They dispose of biowaste responsibly.

I charge $50 to refer callers to these cleaners. Cleaners pay me my $50 once they've been paid. Even though they must pay out a referral fee, they still charge less than their competitors.

I believe my referral fee for marketing costs serve all involved. Unfortunately, my experience with a large number of crime scene cleanup companies has not been positive. I distrust most company owners in this field of work.

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Corruption in Coroners' Offices

Let's say for the sake of argument that you grew a crime scene cleanup company in Orange County, California, your home county. After a couple years your experience indicates that your county's government has crony employees in the coroner and administrator's offices, death's administrators for your county.

Meanwhile, your business does poorly, although you work hard night and day. You spend tens of thousands of dollars marketing.

You treat others as you would have them treat you. You grow older and realize that you have started your last decade. Now you begin to think more about Orange County's coroner's employee abuse of crime scene and suicide victim's families, the tax payers. The public good now means more to you than words in a big book. You understand that a good life has as much value as the good you place into life.

Now you enjoin the fight against corruption in local government as if you received this mission from God. But how do you know about corruption in your local government? How do you know your not on a mission for a demon? A la René Descartes.

You must decide whose side you are on from these facts:

Let's say that over the course of 6 years something like the following occurs.

Your county coroner's office assures you that their employees "never" give the public referrals to crime scene cleanup companies.

You advertise in the Yellow Pages.

You build hundreds of web pages and for most of 6 years you dominate the highest and near highest ranking (organic) web sites. Your web pages grow.

During these six years you clean fewer than twenty death scenes, total, in Orange County, California, and most of these came your first two years

Orange County crime scene cleanup calls that do reach you do so on New Year's Eve and Christmas.

On one July weekend you receive two calls referred by the coroner's office within 24 hours. No more calls follow in this manner. You are perplexed.

Somehow over the years you receive five times as many crime scene cleanup calls from Sacramento county, nearly 400 miles away; calls come from around the country. In fact, you receive more telephone calls from Miami Beach, Florida for crime scene cleanup services to clean after homicides and suicides than from Orange County.

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During these years you have conversations and read email about crime scene cleanup business in Orange County, California.

A competitor claims that he observed a county administrator congratulate a sheriff's employee after this employee received numerous county employee referrals. Your competitor then sends you and the coroner's department a letter as a testimonial to his observations. Your friendly competitor must go out of business because of cronyism in Orange County.

Orange County's corruption hurts your feelings and sense of justice because you expected better from your so-called "free country."

Then a newly arrived cleaning company's spokesperson assures that he has contacts in the coroners office and will have no trouble receiving referrals from the coroner's office. It happens that you literally were called to help clean with this person that you earlier befriended, unaware that you were to take part in growing corruption in Orange County. It happens that you refused to break a county administration seal on the death scene door.

Now you know about corruption in the coroner's office.

An Orange County Sheriff's Deputy, lady, calls you and seeks business advice as well as training information for her daughter. You ask, "But how will she find work?", to paraphrase. The deputy exclaims, "Well, I know people in the coroner's office," to paraphrase.

Over the years you receive one or two jobs in Orange County cleaning after suicides and unattended deaths. You never receive multiple death scene referrals from your hundreds of web pages or the yellow pages.

Over the years numerous murder-suicides and numerous homicides take place in single homes and apartments throughout Orange County. You never receive a call to clean any of dozens of multiple death scenes; yet your prices remain dirt cheap.

Repeated, but well spaced, telephone calls to the coroner's office produce different explanations about the coroner's referrals.

At first employees claim 3 telephone numbers for specified area codes are handed out to the public to choose a company. This helps to explain why you received work the first couple years, then so few later.

Later, the deputy coroner swears the above never happened, and that coroner's employees never give referrals to crime scene cleanup companies.

Your wife makes similar calls and receives different answers.

You receive a job cleaning after an unattended death within 4 miles of your home in Orange County, September 28, your wedding anniversary. The caller states that a coroner's employee gave him a competitor's telephone number. The competitor wanted much more than he, the caller, could afford. So he found you on Internet, of course you.

Your efforts are in vain and you now understand that cronyism will remain and grow in Orange County, California. Your suspicions of creeping fascism are no longer suspect. You now have reasonable suspicion to believe that you live in a fascist county.

You know there's more to this story than you can remember. After all, you know that you're not paranoid. You know that your wife witnessed your experiences over the years. You know that others give feedback to the affirmative.

You learned long ago through many hours of reading and study that Fascism is the imposition of capital through government manipulation and force. Now you know that Orange County's government has fascist elements in its death administration offices. You reasonably suspect that the cronyism, fascism, goes to the top.

You know now whose side you are on; you're on a mission from God.

For the bereaved and the tax payers,

Eddie Evans, Crime Scene Cleanup

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Homicide

Crime scene cleanup in New York follows various types of homicides. Before long, New York's crime scene cleanup technicians know what to expect before arriving on the crime scene. In fact, they become subject matter experts in these matters.

Technicians soon learn to theorize about homicide cleanup as well as the cause of homicides. It's inevitable. A person cannot work in this cleaning field long before arm-chair philosophy begins to set in.

Because suicide cleanup sometimes becomes the crime scene cleaner's business, discussing relationships between suicide and homicide soon arises. How might the two relate? After all, some homicide scenes include suicides, murder suicides. Questions like, "If murders go up in New York, do suicides go up or down or nowhere different?".

Some times rates for homicide and suicide occur in patterns. Lethal violence patterns of the American South is thought of as a juxtaposition. Here when homicides decline, suicides go up. Finding relationships, correlations, between these patterns in New York would prove difficult. It happens that in the American South these patterns stand out like nowhere else.

We need to look at culture, homicide, and social structure to gain a better perspective of patterns for homicide and suicide. While doing so we think about poverty and inequality.

If we think of both homicide and suicide coming from similar origins. One analogy uses a river's water rushing downstream. The water symbolizes violence. The size of our violence river and its depth might represent poverty and inequality. Both poverty and inequality come to reflect lethal violence in a society or group.

Cultural influences give shape to our river of violence. Some influence, movies, music, books, give rise to homicides, even types of homicides. Other cultural influences give rise to suicides, even types of suicides. So we find culture splitting our river of violence in two directions.

Frustration, stress, and negative life events give rise, in many cases, to homicide and/or suicide.

If we were to count or somehow quantify the amount of frustration, stress, and negative events in any one part of our nation, we might expect to find it in another. Once located in another part of our country, we might expect to find similar numbers for homicide and suicide.

For now this writing must do. For blood cleanup help, visit my blood cleanup help web site.

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Suicide

Why do you write about suicide and suicide cleanup?

For one reason, I write about suicide because it's a hobby, an academic hobby.

For another reason, I also have an interest in the social sciences. Suicide has a public record we can research. Just like researching stars, blowers, and animals, suicide exists as a fact. We can measure suicide and apply statistical methods to it. We can apply psychological, sociological, and social-psychological theories to suicide.

When one does suicide cleanup for years, and after witnessing the consequences of suicide numerous times, I find therapy in writing about what I've learned. Everyone needs therapy. If not for one thing in life, then another. Some people find therapy in exercise, others self-medicating, and still others through abstract ideas. I find writing allows me some relaxation, therapy.

I also study suicide academically and on the job. My BA in sociology introduced me to suicide studies. My MS work in educational counseling sparked a greater interest in suicide studies.

My reading in World Literature, including American Literature, often deals with meaning of life issues as well as suicide. So I keep my interest in this area of thinking for academic and professional reasons.

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Two Suicide Mind Sets

What I've seen and learned about suicide tells me it's a closed world. Suicide victims may begin planning their suicide from an early age. They may also begin planning their suicide in a spur-moment. The former usually have an on-going suicidal vocation. It's that they've rarely been without suicidal thoughts. For the latter, suicide shows a way out of an untenable situation.

Perhaps the spur-of-the-moment suicide planner gave suicide some consideration throughout their life. Then they would be like anyone else. Now they become different. Their suicide ideas take on an urgency, a rashness at times. Suicide no longer represents a pantasy or day dream. I represents a way out. Shame, disgust, poverty, failure, and other negative emotions give rise to suicide. A psychotic episode of a self-injuring, rash suicide, whose suicide arises a a twist in their life road, breaks bonds with a newly closed world.

Among the newly initiated to this closed world, spur-of-the-moment suicide catches everyone by surprise, even a suicide victim. This escape route leaves tale-tell signs for suicide cleanup technicians.

For the closed world of those who live with suicide thoughts, deja vu follows their days. It's not that they think about suicide much, it's "always there," somewhere in the back of their minds. Somewhere in a closed world darkened by childhood memories or other traumatic times. Where they seek pleasure no pleasure exists.

Suicide remains as a constant temptation. It occupies a place of threat and concern. It also occupies a place of rejection and disappointment in a suicide victim's closed world. The Italian writer, Pavese, wrote, "Every luxury must be paid for, and everything is a luxury, starting with being in the world."

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Suicide Notes

The American Psychologist, Shneidman, found "several hundred suicide notes" in Los Angeles' coroner's department. Safely locked away in a vault for someone to find them, he poured over each note. In one sense, he hoped to create an archeology of suicide's mind set from suicide victim's notes.

For some time social scientists thought suicide notes offered a close connection between a suicide note's words and a suicidal act. As we find elsewhere, Shneidman's efforts revealed nothing striking.

About 12 to 30 percent of suicide victims leave suicide notes. Even then these notes sometimes find their own hiding places during a suicidal act. I've uncovered a few suicide notes, and none were posted carefully. One may have laid next to a shotgun suicide victim, but the blast blew it aloft. It slowly fluttered to the floor and under the bed. "I don't want to go back to the Navy," it read.

There's little if any variation on trivial matters found on suicide notes. Considering the gravity of the act to follow, this is surprising information. Shneidman noted the Los Angeles suicide notes read more like postcards. Trivial things-to-do for survivors and other shallow comments marked these notes as useless for social science. We would hope to find the essence of ensuing suicides, but not so -- unfortunately.

Russian suicidologists found the same superficial narratives on suicide notes. It seems as if suicide victims have little to say. We might believe that during one's last moments, deep, philosophical or theological insights might arise, not so.

 
 
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